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Re: Cthulhu Mythos: Do you love it, like it, recommend it, deal with it, or hate it?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2009, 04:11:40 PM »

I've never read Bloch, Mark. I've always meant to but never got around to him. I did hear that his Cthulhu stuff is pretty good though. He was friends with Lovecraft, right? That might explain it. I will have to check it out at some point.

Also gonna have to pick up Deeper now...the Crabs comparison sold me on it.
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2009, 04:15:35 PM »

Bloch and Lovecraft corresponded with one another extensively, but I'm not sure if they ever actually met. I read Bloch's autobiography, but I can't remember.

Lovecraft and Bloch even killed each other off in stories. Here's a bit about it from Bloch's Wiki page:

The young Bloch even appears, thinly disguised, as the character "Robert Blake" in Lovecraft's story "The Haunter of the Dark", which is dedicated to Bloch. In this story, Lovecraft kills off the Bloch character, repaying a courtesy Bloch paid Lovecraft with his tale "The Shambler from the Stars", in which the Lovecraft-inspired figure dies; the story goes so far as to use Bloch's then-current street address in Milwaukee. (Bloch even had a signed certificate from Lovecraft [and some of his creations] giving Bloch permission to kill Lovecraft off in a story.) Bloch later wrote a third tale, "The Shadow From the Steeple", picking up where "The Haunter of the Dark" finished.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2009, 04:46:29 PM »

Never been much of a Lovecraft/Cthulhu fan.  I've read a fair few Lovecraft stories over the years, but they never did it for me, sad to say.  But then again, I've never been one for monster stories.
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2009, 04:47:56 PM »

I highly recommend DEEPER - it's a fun read whether you have heard of HPL or not.   Grin

After finding that the story is based upon H P Lovecraft's "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" . . . . and that the Edward Lee THE INNSWICH HORROR is also - I'll be digging that HPL story out of my TBR Mtn.

I've had Tim Curran's THE HIVE sitting here forever.  Now that I know he plans a sequel, I need to read HPL's "In the Mountain of Madness" (at least, I think that's the one   Roll Eyes )

My fave horror movie is FROM BEYOND - which is based upon an extremely short story.  HPL packed so much into those few pages, I actually was able to pull more out of the story and enjoyed the movie even more.

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2009, 05:36:48 PM »

I've always loved this cover

A lot of Lovecraft related art is great!
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2009, 06:40:43 PM »

I'm a fan of Lovecraft, though I'll admit that his Mythos stories aren't my favorites.


Bloch is absolutely fantastic reading and I've bought as much of his stuff as I could.

He just knew how to write a good story.
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2009, 09:06:58 PM »

Well, I'm somewhat biased as I've written some Lovecraftian fiction. Lovecraft IS hard to read. There's no doubt about it. In my case, I found reading it very easy when I was a teenager but a bit harder as an adult. Lovecraft had great ideas and everyone and I mean EVERYONE from Stephen King to Thomas Ligotti has pretty much borrowed liberally from him.

But I understand the critcisms of his stuff only too well.

When I wrote stuff like HIVE and other Lovercraftian-type fiction the first thing I did was toss out that plodding 19th century language which is so tough to plow through. I made my stuff very contemporary, no unprounceable entities/gods or laundry lists of banned books and secret rites. I'm not the only one doing this, of course. The best Lovecraftian fiction uses Lovecraft's basic ideas in a contemporary fashion but stays away from the usual overdone cliches--mad scholars, crazy cultists, people who get eaten at the end of the story by fooling with forbidden knowledge etc. etc. etc. Unfortunately there's a pastiche school out there that writes reams of Lovecraftian stuff that not only celebrates the cliches but imitates the man's voice to the point of annoyance.

And Jan...what do ya mean HIVE's just been sittin' there?? Seriously, though, you don't have to read At the Mountains of Madness first. Despite my publisher promoting it that way, HIVE and the upcoming sequel are NOT sequels to Lovecraft's story. They were merely suggested by it. Much as DEEPER was probably suggested by The Shadow over Innsmouth.

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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2009, 11:55:39 PM »

oops - sorry Tim - but HIVE has some good company in the TBR mtn range - "not enough books, just too little time".    Grin

I'd like to give HPL a try, but it's good to know I can put it down and still enjoy HIVE.  Unlike Brett - I loves me monsters.   Azn

CLICKERS by J F Gonzalez and Mark Williams is another excellent book influenced by HPL . . . . and Guy N Smith.   Wink

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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2009, 11:55:46 PM »

I know I've read some of the Mythos fiction, and I liked it, but unless they referenced Cthulu directly it probably went over my head.

I do agree, though, that a lot of the Lovecraf inspired art is fantastic. Too bad the same can't be said for most of the movies, but I'm pretty sure it's hard to make something like that work. Isn't Del Toro doing At The Mountains of Madness?

I should probably start reading some Lovecraft, huh? If nothing else then for Lee's Lovecraft inspired novels coming out soon. He tried to write like Lovecraft did.
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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2009, 02:23:11 PM »

It's a mistake to lump Lovecraft together with all the other Cthuhlu Mythos writers.

Lovecraft was a genuine original, with a small but real genius for creating mood and atmosphere in fiction. "The Call of Cthulhu," "The Shadow Over Innsmouth," and maybe three or four others are surely among the finest examples of dark fiction ever published. Increasingly his reputation has moved beyond genre boundaries, as his inclusion in the Penguin Classic line as well as the Library of America attests. Lovecraft is well on his way to becoming recognized as a totally mainstream classic writer, the 20th century's Poe.

The many writers who came along in his wake, from Derleth on, all created what is essentially fan fiction. Some of it is fun to read; but most of it is complete and utter dreck which shows no understanding at all of what made Lovecraft a great writer. Most later "Mythos" fiction consists of little more than brainless monster stories--very definitely not what Lovecraft himself wrote. (If anyone thinks my assessment is too harsh, well...all I can suggest is that they read pretty much any anthology of later Mythos fiction. Good luck finding anything beyond the momentarily entertaining.)

Lovecraft, alas, is a writer whose reputation has had to be rescued from the efforts of his most ardent admirers, whose hackwork has often been confused with the genuine article in the public mind. I find it very dispiriting to hear people say things like (and I've actually heard this kind of thing more than once), "Well, I've never read Lovecraft, but I read some other people's Mythos stories in a book once and they were lousy, so I don't think I'd like him."

People can talk about what later Mythos fiction they like or don't like, surely; but the work of Lovecraft's followers have nothing to do with the man himself, who must be considered entirely on his own merits as a writer.

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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2009, 09:19:31 AM »

Very true Chris!   Grin

So, did Lovecraft give everyone permission to use his creations and write fanfiction?  Those stories aren't in the public domain yet.  "The Call of Cthulhu" wasn't published until 1928 (so it MIGHT have expired April 2008).  Or does everyone who gets their Lovecraft-esque writings published have to pay a fee to the Lovecraft estate?
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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2009, 09:44:01 AM »

But then Chris we've got the real problem that Lovecraft was a genuine imaginer and an averagel writer. When I consider my favourite Mythos stories none of them are written by Lovecraft, rather Frank Belknapp Long's Hounds of Tindalos stands out as one of the very best 'lovecraft' stories...
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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2009, 12:02:45 PM »

Lovecraft was a brilliant literary stylist, on a completely different level than any of his imitators. His writing has stood the test of time as serious literature. That's why it's in the Library of America etc., while that of his imitators isn't, and won't be.

Jeez, though, Steven--love his writing or hate it, I can hardly imagine anyone thinking it "average." That's one thing Lovecraft certainly never was!
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« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2009, 12:39:38 PM »

I don't hate his writing, but side by side with other writers of the day (and I don't mean genre writers or those we've seconded into the genre for the sake of making horror seem more respectable to the literary canon) I do think he was a fairly mundane writer. What can I say? I think the breadth of his imagination was staggering, but his actual stylistic writing does nothing for me beside the likes of Fitzgerald, Woolfe, Steinbeck, were writers of the 20s and 30s who wrote brilliantly, then more archiac novelists who came earlier who were all considerably better on a sentence by sentence level. We're going to have to agree to disgree because personally I think it is kind to call Lovecraft an average writer with a great imagination, against geniune novelists he doesn't stack up in my eyes.
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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2009, 09:22:39 PM »

Ant,

Lovecraft encouraged many writers to use his creations as they saw fit. He was not very anal about his stuff and often changed his entities somewhat or changed the location of cities. It was later writers and particularly the RPG people that saw the need to organize everything.

Lovecraft's work is in the public domain. That's why there are literally DOZENS AND DOZENS of sites that put his complete works up on the web. August Derleth's kids (the current owners of Arkham House Publishers) have tried to bully several Lovecraftian sites into paying them royalties, but nobody takes them seriously. THEY OWN NOTHING. The copyright long ago expired. Lovecraft had two aunts who as surviving family members inherited the rights, but no one bought them from the ladies and they both died back in the 1940's, I believe.

Now, Derleth's kids have copyrighted several of his works AFTER the fact, but that's not strictly legal or ethical. You can copyright anything. I can copyright the Bible, too, but my ownership would be tossed out of court.
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